Yes! The trap Palpatine put them in was closed in around them on all sides--we see more than once that the Jedi try to object to Palpatine's orders (he wants to spend time with Anakin, he wants to send Anakin to Tatooine to rescue Jabba's son, he wants to put Anakin on the Council, etc.) and he shuts them down hard, by pulling rank on them. They struggle to keep what autonomy they have, even then when dealing with Force stuff, Anakin argues, oh, well, we have to involve the Chancellor, while Obi-Wan and Mace are like, no, this is an internal matter.
Add that to how the Jedi couldn't really have eschewed the war without being torn to shreds, possibly entirely kicked out of the Republic all together (and possibly even losing their children to the Republic), and without turning their backs on innocent people who needed them, it's understandable why they jumped into the war. It was still a mistake to do it so quickly, but, like, Yoda's the first person to admit that. Doesn't mean it wasn't still understandable, without hindsight.
I think the only apprentice of the three that he really ‘needed’ in the end was Dooku, to rally the separatists and to be a scapegoat.
Entirely agreed! Dooku was probably the only one that was really necessary for the set-up. Possibly Anakin IF we believe that he was destined to strike Palpatine down with Mace and Palpatine swayed him over to the dark side so he had more time to build his Empire, then I could believe Anakin was necessary. But otherwise, Anakin really had nothing to do with the formation of the Empire or even was necessary as a high-profile Jedi. Dooku, the former Jedi, now the political head of the Separatists was far more necessary to Palpatine's plans. And, honestly, even then he could have continued using people like Nute Gunray, if he'd absolutely had to!
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Date: 2018-12-15 01:10 am (UTC)Add that to how the Jedi couldn't really have eschewed the war without being torn to shreds, possibly entirely kicked out of the Republic all together (and possibly even losing their children to the Republic), and without turning their backs on innocent people who needed them, it's understandable why they jumped into the war. It was still a mistake to do it so quickly, but, like, Yoda's the first person to admit that. Doesn't mean it wasn't still understandable, without hindsight.
I think the only apprentice of the three that he really ‘needed’ in the end was Dooku, to rally the separatists and to be a scapegoat.
Entirely agreed! Dooku was probably the only one that was really necessary for the set-up. Possibly Anakin IF we believe that he was destined to strike Palpatine down with Mace and Palpatine swayed him over to the dark side so he had more time to build his Empire, then I could believe Anakin was necessary. But otherwise, Anakin really had nothing to do with the formation of the Empire or even was necessary as a high-profile Jedi. Dooku, the former Jedi, now the political head of the Separatists was far more necessary to Palpatine's plans. And, honestly, even then he could have continued using people like Nute Gunray, if he'd absolutely had to!